{"id":78208,"date":"2025-10-23T10:47:30","date_gmt":"2025-10-23T07:47:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=78208"},"modified":"2026-01-27T13:12:24","modified_gmt":"2026-01-27T11:12:24","slug":"marlene-dumas-in-conversation-with-douglas-fogle","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/en\/podcast\/marlene-dumas-in-conversation-with-douglas-fogle\/","title":{"rendered":"Marlene Dumas in conversation with Douglas Fogle"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"section HeaderBlock columns\">\n  <header>\n  <h1 class=\"title\">Marlene Dumas in conversation with Douglas Fogle<\/h1>  <p class=\"data\">THE CYCLADIC PODCAST<\/p>  <\/header>      <div \n      class=\"imgWithCaption card  \" \n          >\n        <figure class=\"image ratio-L_16-9\">\n              <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-300x180.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-1024x616.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-768x462.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-1536x924.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-2048x1231.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/4SEAN-600x361.jpg 600w\"  \/>\n          <\/figure>\n        \n  <\/div>\n\n<\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"section ContentBlock\">\n  <header class=\"blockheader\">\n  <h2 class=\"title\">LISTEN TO THE PODCAST<\/h2>  <\/header>\n\n    <div class=\"Podcast\">\n          <iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" allow=\"autoplay\" \n        src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?url=https%3A\/\/api.soundcloud.com\/tracks\/2196788511&#038;color=090807&#038;auto_play=false&#038;hide_related=true&#038;show_comments=false&#038;show_user=true&#038;show_reposts=false&#038;show_teaser=false\">\n      <\/iframe>\n            <div class=\"iconsList\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4p23hzq46Slp6VByMhP8pX?si=BQOT_XM5S3Wycj4HaqXlkQ&#038;nd=1&#038;dlsi=cc8fe63b680c4284\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"LISTEN TO THE PODCAST\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cycladic.gr\/wp-content\/themes\/mkt\/src\/img\/spotify-podcasts.svg\" alt=\"LISTEN TO THE PODCAST\"\/><\/a>    <\/div>\n      <\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"section ContentBlock\"  id=\"description\" >\n  <header class=\"blockheader\">\n  <h2 class=\"title\">DESCRIPTION<\/h2>  <\/header>\n\n    \n  <div class=\"main mobileFirst\">\n    <div class=\"left \">\n                        <div class=\"mainText\">\n<p>In this episode, Marlene Dumas speaks with curator Douglas on the occasion of her exhibition Cycladic Blues, presented at the Museum of Cycladic Art in Athens. Together, they explore Dumas\u2019s evolving relationship with Greek antiquity, her reflections on the aging body, mortality, and desire, and the gestural, intuitive processes behind her monumental new works Phantom Age and Old first present at the Museum of Cycladic Art.<\/p>\n<p>The discussion touches on her early resistance to classical ideals of beauty, her use of photography and abstraction, and the ways her contemporary figures enter into quiet dialogue with ancient Cycladic figurines. 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